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DETECTIVE STEVEN GUILLERMO QUESTIONING FRANK RAYMOND PAULINE. JR.:

Q. What is your full and correct name?
A. Frank Raymond Pauline, Jr.

Q. Are you known by any other names?
A. No, not really. They call me Boy.

Q. How old are you and what is your birthdate?
A. 21 years old. My birthdate is 4-27-73.

Q. And at this time you are presently confined at the Halawa...
A. Correctional Facility.

Q. Okay, Frank, I'm presently investigating a murder that took place on 12-24-91, okay. That took place in the Kapoho area.
A. Yes.

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Q. Okay, prior to asking you any questions and continuing with this investigation I need to advise you of your constitional rights. No. 1. I am a police officer and I want to inform you of your rights. You have the right to remain silent. You do not have to answer any questions. Anything you say may be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before we ask you any questions and to have him with you during questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. If you decide to answer the questions now without a lawyer present, you will still have the right to stop answering at any time and talk to a lawyer. Do you understand your rights?
A. Yes.

Q. And do you still waive your rights?
A. Yes.

Q. I show you HPD Form M-17 which is the Advice of Rights I administered to you yesterday on June 18, 1994, at approximately 1O1O a.m. Is this the same form that you signed?
A. Yes.

Q. Okay, Frank, from the beginning, tell me what happened.
A. Okay, one day my two friends came to pick me up. Ian and Shawn Schweitzer. They wen' ask me if I wanted to go party
and I told them yeah. So we headed towards the beach.

Q. Where were you when they came to pick you up?
A. My mom's house.

Q. Where is that?
A. Hawaiian Beaches. Aku Street. First house on the left.

Q. And what kind of car did they come in?
A. Purple Volkswagen.

Q. Is there anything else you can tell me about the car? Was it in stock condition?
A. Was more like stock condition.

Q. Is there anything else you can describe about the car?.
A. Had center line rims and regular tires that go with the rims.

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Q. Black wall tires?
A. Yeah. We headed towards the end of Hawaiian Beaches towards the Beach Road on the right hand side. We continued to go through a dirt road.

Q. Is that dirt road commonly known as the Beach Road?
A. Beach Road. It comes out at Kapoho. Okay, wait. I gotta say about the stops. Okay, we made several stops to smoke cocaine. And after, well we kept continuing on little ways. We came out by an intersection going towards Kapoho and that's where we saw a girl standing up. As we were going past my friend Ian looked towards the side and he said, "Ho look at that girl." Then we continued to go forward down the road.

Q. Would that be towards Pohiki?
A. Yes. Then we reached by these mailboxes area that we turned around. That place is better known as Red Road where they call it. And we headed back towards the girl.

Q. Did Ian tell you why he had turned around or why he wanted to get back where the girl was?
A. No, not at that point. Little while after as we were going
he wanted to talk to the girl he said. I guess to make a date or something.

Q. Okay, then what happened?
A. Then we headed back and he was going faster and I was telling him for slow down. About 40-45 miles per hour because I looked at the speedometer. And then he just kept on going towards the girl. The next thing I knew I felt like going over a speed bump real fast. How many times we went over? About I would say roughly two times.

Q. And that two times felt like going over a speed bump?
A. Going forward and reversing.

Q. Prior to feeling like twice you went over a speed bump, did you see a girl at all? Before you ran her over?
A. Before I seen her going across. Kinda walking across.

Q. Okay, you earlier told me that, I know you are unclear but you were pretty sure that she had a bike with her.
A. Yes.

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Q. Do you remember anything about the bicycle color or anything like that?
A. No, I wasn't. It looked like she was standing up. She was holding something. I'm not sure if it was a bike.

Q. What about just prior to her being hit. Did you notice a bicycle near her?
A. No.

Q. Just for clarification, can you tell me who the Volkswagen belongs to?
A. Ian Schweitzer.

Q. Who was the driver of the Volkswagon?
A. Ian.

Q. Where was Shawn seated?
A. On the passenger.

Q. Front passenger seat?
A. Yes.

Q. And you were seated where?
A. In the back behind the driver.

Q. Okay, can you remember anything. Can you give a description of the female?
A. No. She was just like a haole girl.

Q. Can you remember anything about the clothing or her hair color or anything like that?
A. No.

Q. Okay, after running her over what did he do?
A. He ran out. Him and his brother. And I was in the back trying for look. I didn't see what they really did but I know the body was in the front part of the car.

Q. Would that be on the roadway in front of the car?
A. Yes.

Q. Okay, then what happened?
A. Then we headed back towards. Oh, they put the body in the trunk part of the bug. In front.

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Q. Where she was run over did you ever get out of the vehicle to look at the damages or anything like that?
A. No.

Q. Okay, after loading the body into the car you said Ian started to drive back towards Hawaiian Beaches?
A. Yes.

Q. Okay, then?
A, Then we made several more stops and one of the stops was by um some place by a junk cars. Where there's cars. Lots of cars. Then we walked out of the car. We stopped the car and got out of the car.

Q. Did Ian ask you to help him or anything like that?
A. Yes. He asked me for come outside and help him carry the body out so I did. We walked.

Q. Okay, when you got outside, did you notice any damages on the Volkswagen?
A. Yes.

Q. Where were the damages?
A. On the front part of the bug.

Q. Would that be on the trunk?
A. Yes.

Q. Okay. Then what happened?
A. Then we carried the body out. We laid um down and she was still alive. She neva say nothing. Neva really act like she had been hurt. Then Ian Schweitzer wen' end up having sex with her.

Q. Did you actually see him having sex with her?
A. Yes. Then when he was done, and it lasted for a short while. Maybe like couple seconds, Four-five seconds. Anyway, then he wanted me for go on top of her.

Q. To have sex with her?
A. Yes, and I wen' refuse. Told him I neva like. And at the same time when he was having sex I was just kinda enjoying watching. I guess was cause of the drugs.

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Q. At the time that he was having sex with her, when we talked earlier, you mentioned that she was bleeding and had blood stains on her.
A. Yeah.

Q. Can you remember what areas of her body she was injuried?
A. Yeah. She had blood coming out of her eyes, her mouth and her nose. Pretty much about it.

Q. Okay, then what happened after Ian asked you to have sex with her and you refused. What happened next?
A. He told me we gotta kill her. Or knock her off in other words.

Q. Is that the words he used? Knock her off?
A. Yeah.

Q. Did he tell you why?
A. He said if someone was to find her and she was to make it, live, she would tell on us and we all would get busted. So he told me for look for something so when I when go look I found a L-shaped bar, tire bar.

Q. Where did you find this tire bar?
A. In the back seat area. Then I walked out to the bug. I mean I walked towards the girl and he told me for hit um. So I when swing all the way back and I wen' hit her on the head. Somewhere on the head. I'm not sure where. Then I dropped the bar and I went towards the bug on the driver side. I remained outside it. I was feeling sick and I told Ian that I cannot do this so he wen' head back to her and I guess he when do um.

Q. Did he have the tire bar when he went back towards her?
A. Well I dropped it after I when hit her.

Q. Okay, when you hit her on the head did you notice which area it was? Did you notice if she was bleeding from that area or if there was a wound where you hit her?
A. No, I cannot remember. But I know that the hit that I gave her was real hard. And after that, after I was leaning on the bug and went back in the bug. And then later on, after Ian and the brother Shawn came back in. They closed the front part of the trunk and then came in the car then we left.

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Q. When you hit her with the tire bar what was your intention?
A. To make sure I killed her.

Q. To make sure she died?
A. Yeah.

Q. After you hit her was she moving or anything like that? Do you know if she was still alive?
A. I cannot remember. That I cannot remember.

Q. Okay. So after Ian and Shawn came back in the car what happened next?
A. We headed back towards Hawaiian Beaches through the back roads. Then we made several stops to smoke cocaine again. And as we stopped Ian Schweitzer kept going back towards the front of the bug to make sure that the body was dead. Just to check on the body.

Q. And this was after you guys left the area where he had sex with her?
A. Yes.

Q. Do you know whether the body was in there after you guys left the area where he had sex with her?
A. No, I was already in the back.

Q. After making these stops after you left the area where he had sex with her did you see Ian unload the body anywhere else?
A. No.

Q. Or did he ask anyone else to help him?
A. No.

Q. When did you first discover that the body was not in the trunk of the vehicle anymore?
A. When we were at Ian Schweitzer's house in Hawaiian Beaches.

Q. And how did you find that out?
A, We was washing the car to take off the blood and for some reason we opened up the front. I guess for shoot um down and neva have no body or anything in there. Then Ian, Ian came out of the house. He took a shower that's why and he told his brother Shawn to make sure after he pau bafe put the clothes in a rubbish bag.

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Q. Okay, what happened to that rubbish bag?
A. Ian tied a knot on it and threw it on the right side of the house through a bush. And he left it there. Then when, after all that was done we headed back towards my house on Aku Street.

Q. Can you remember what kind of clothes Ian and Shawn were wearing on that day?
A. No.

Q. When you returned to your home there was a party?
A. Christmas party.

Q. Did anyone question Ian or you or even Shawn on the damages to Ian's Volkswagen?
A. Yeah.

Q. And what was Ian's answer?
A. He said I banged the trunk and after that he was just saying don't worry about it.

Q. And the people that asked him about he damages, were they family members?
A. Family members.

Q. And who were they that asked?
A. My brother Wayne Gonsalves. That's about it.

Q. How long did Ian and Shawn stay at the party?
A. For short while.

Q. Okay, going back to the beginning, do you remember about what time Ian and Shawn came to pick you up?
A. It was somewhere before lunch time or little bit after lunch
time.

Q. And you returned to your home, you know about what time it was? Was it still lighted or coming dark?
A. Still lighted.

Q. Do you have any idea what happened to the Volkswagen?
A. Yeah they had it parked in the back of their house and I guess they fixed it cause it had a different paint job. It was yellow.

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Q. When was the last time that you saw the Volkswagen painted yellow? About?
A. About two months after the accident.

Q. Were there any other changes to the Volkswagen other than paint and the repair to the trunk area?
A. Yeah, it was lowered. That's about it. It was lowered.

Q. But you are positive it was the same Volkswagen?
A. Yeah. I know it was the same Volkswagen. The reason I know it was the same Volkswagen was he told me he can fix it that's why.

Q. You also mentioned when we talked earlier that the Volkswagen belonged to a family member of yours at one time.
A. Yeah. Demetrio Gonsalves. Better known as Timmy.

Q. And that Volkswagen, was it traded or sold to Ian? Do you know?
A. They made deals for it.

Q. Do you recall if Shawn did anything to the female during this whole incident?
A. No, I can't remember that part.

Q. Has Ian talked to you since this incident?
A. Yeah.

Q. And what was the conversation about?
A. Told me for make sure I don't talk about what happened and if I did he said he would get me. In what way I don't know.

Q. There was a lot of parts that are unclear to you. It's a little fuzzy, Why is that?
A. Drugs. Cocaine to be precise.

Q. And you mean that obviously on that day that this happened you were smoking some cocaine?
A. Yes.

Q. On that day, or prior to that day, were you smoking on these days also?
A. Yes. I was addicted.

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Q. Okay, Frank, is there anything else you want to add to the statement?
A. No.

Q. Have you given this statement on your own free will?
A. Yes.

Q. Have I coerced or forced you in any way to give this statement?
A. No.

Q. Okay, have I promised you anything in return for this statement?
A. No.

Q. During the past 24 hours were you under the influence of any alcohol or drugs?
A. No.

Q. Okay, this incident that we were talking about, did it occur in the District of Puna?
A. Yeah.

Q. And County and State of Hawaii?
A. Yeah.

TERMINATED AT 0848 HOURS ON JUNE 19, 1994.

I have read the foregoing nine pages and this tenth page of this statement and have had an opportunity to make corrections thereon. I know the contents thereof to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.

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